Paul Berger is a staff writer at The Forward. His articles have appeared in The New York Times, The Washington Post, The (London) Times, The Daily and Guardian.co.uk.

Nov
21

Upstaged by the Extras

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This video of Sarah Palin being interviewed before she pardons a Thanksgiving turkey is almost too good to be true. (Via Swampland.)

16 Comments

1

Did my comment on the pride of having a female president someday inspire you to post this, Paul?

Honestly, I’m starting to lose respect for your Palin bashing. The fact that I am just starting to just shows you how much patience I have. I’m surprised as a journalist you aren’t writing about the monstrous amount of LIES that were spread throughout the mainstream media about this woman. And how we all lapped it up like hungry, rabid dogs.

But this turkey video is more interesting, I’m sure. If you don’t mind, I’ll skip it.

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Ali

Your comment didn’t inspire me. I thought I had posted my last about Palin until I saw this video and realized I couldn’t not post it.

As for the prospect of America’s first female President. I’m sure it will happen some day. But it won’t be Palin.

3

What do you find so amusing about this video ?

Yes there was a guy killing turkeys behind her. Is this some sign of her stupidity ? What was she supposed to do ?

4

Fine. But knock it off with Palin! Your guy won. Just be happy for crying out loud. You want bitter Hillary supporters to start feeling the hope? Well I’m trying, really. But things like this make it quite hard. To many of us, this OUTAGEOUS Palin obsession is simply hatred of women which far too many men AND women have enjoyed.

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I think it’s a novel approach to public relations. Somebody should really get on to Obama about this, perhaps an interview in an abattoir while a cow is being slaughtered.

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Ali, it is not hatred of women at all.

Having read this blog long enough you should know that although I have many faults, misogyny is not one of them.

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Have you spoken out against the misgogyny, Paul? Did you have a single post about the sexism toward Hillary or Palin during this election?

I am not saying that you are misogynistic. I do not believe you are. But I do believe America’s obsession with mocking Palin as well as spreading lies about her DOES stem from a deep seeded misogyny in our culture. You get a pass – you seem like an overall good guy and you’re British. But far too many people I respect have said nothing about the hatred toward women during this election while mocking every little Palin irrelevancy. It’s not surprising – as a culture Americans have learned the script to stand up against racism but not so for sexism.

And to top it all off, this is just salt in the wounds.

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Ali, If you haven’t already seen it, I think you might find this article in ny mag about Hillary and Palin quite interesting.

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Oh, thank you. I love the title. I’ll go ahead and read it tonight. I am thrilled to see a mainstream publication covering this issue. Just the other day, a Palin-hating friend forwarded a Huffington Post “article” about Palin’s lipliner. Is it tattooed or not? They had a slideshow of 10 images of her mouth in which they annotated the images with wonderful things like “the mouth at the convention”, “the mouth talking to Katie Couric”. Well, even my Palin-hating friend was disgusted. Thank god.

10

Well she was visiting a business, someone shoved a camera in her face and she started talking. She was probably unaware of the guy behind her. Cameras have a distorting effect on distance – that guy might have been a fair way away.

Puerile.

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From the NY mag article:

“Harvard sociologist Orlando Patterson notes that “for the first time since enfranchisement, [women] voted in greater numbers, and more progressively, than men,” favoring Obama by a 13 percent margin, while men were almost evenly split. In doing so, we selected a candidate whose views on issues like health care and equal pay and reproductive rights align with our interests.”

Isn’t this a bit sexist? How do Obama’s views on health care align with women’s interests specifically? (I speak as a pretend Republican woman).

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Oh, Paul. The article was terrible. You didn’t really think that I would like this, did you? Are you trying to give me acid reflux? It fell into the same sexist tripe that too many women today have gloatingly used against Palin (and Hillary) with only the thin and self-congratulating conclusion at the end – See! The Obama voters are the real feminists! Except for the fact that, um, we hate that word now.

Vapid.

13

I finally watched the video. How exactly is posting that Palin bashing? It was amusing and would have been amusing whoever was stood in front of the poor turkey. Palin, for her part, came across better than I have ever seen her before.

That article was rubbish though, I’m with you Ali.

14

Sorry Ali, I thought it raised some interesting points, particularly about the sexism leveled at Hillary. Though I admit I skimmed through most of it. Perhaps it’s time we all moved on…

15

That video was just . . . odd. Reminded me of the woman skinning rabbits in “Roger and Me” somehow. Very weird.

It will be interesting to note, years from now, how history looks back on Sen. Clinton and Gov. Palin . . . we all may be too close to it right now.

I thought the article did what articles should do, which is raise some good points (some not so good).

And Cretin (or should I say Pretend Republican Woman Cretin), what’s sexist is to assume Obama’s views on health care align can’t align with women’s interests specifically just because his views don’t single women out, specifically. It is simply an issue that is important to people, and women are people.

People may talk about Sarah Palin’s lipliner, but they also talked about John Edward’s haircut, Bill Clinton’s Boxers (BEFORE MonicaGate), and Barack Obama’s Jump Shot. People focus on trivial, sexist, demeaning, and awkward factors every day when public figures are involved. All these things are wrong, but all these things are very, very human.

I am concerned about the tendency to oversensitize any and all reactions, negative or positive, to Hillary and Palin as candidates, as women, and as public figures. Are you going to praise Hillary? Make sure you do it exactly the right way, or you’ll be condescending. Are you going to disagree with Palin? Use the wrong terminology and you will be branded a sexist. It is worth noting that the candidates themselves can make decisions that influence people’s reaction to them, and it’s unfair of them to imagine everyone will ignore those decisions. Hillary studied hard and got a law degree and distiguished herself in many ways. She’s driven, so some people will use demeaning terminology to indicate that she’s doing something out of their gender comfort zone. The same has happened with our President Elect, as proven by the way he’s been treated among those unable to accept a black Democrat with a funny-sounding name into their comfort zone. Sarah Palin willing participated in that bastion of feminism, the beauty pageant, instead of going to Law School — if she doesn’t bring some damn substantial policy observations to the table, people are going to gossip about her lipliner.

I’m a white male. I know that the walls are higher and harsher for women and minorities than they are for me. It is not an unfair or “vapid” observation, in my opinion, to say that the stakes are higher for these groups — they are. We are a country that judges people, sometimes based on a soundbite and a photo, and to cry sexism or racism every time everyone else acts like a jackass just gives the jackasses another sound bite to pigeonhole you with.

I am offended by those who do not show basic respect to people as equal human beings, and I’d much rather forget about much of the campaign at this point and focus on fixing the problems in this country, but Sarah Palin will continue to be analyzed, second-guessed, and talked about in all kinds of terms as long as she is a public figure, and as long as she is willing to put herself out there as a public figure. Many of those terms will not be fair, so she’d better have the knowledge and ability to rise above those remarks.

Just my two cents. Hope I didn’t offend anyone.

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Michael,

The level of sexism toward Hillary and Palin doesn’t even compare to “Edward’s haircut, Bill Clinton’s Boxers (BEFORE MonicaGate), and Barack Obama’s Jump Shot”. It was the incessant, witch-hunt type craze that has made sexism the greatest ism during this election.

In regard to Edward’s haircut – I have to say that I was furious when the media pumped this up. It was an effort to make him appear “girly”, “feminine” and thus not presidential material.

No, this video isn’t sexist. It’s more the witch hunt craze over Palin that is sexist. Even though Palin has nothing to do with the images behind her and I am sure, as someone who has studied photography and as Simon mentioned above, the perspective is misleading and that Palin wasn’t even that close. But somehow this video seems mocking – how silly and stupid she is to be in this situation! Certainly in the context of how we all have treated her during this election.

What has offended me most about the Palin issue is the lies that were spread about her. That many large news publications engaged in this partisan slander and that many women’s organizations engaged in it as well. I have had contact with some editors and I KNOW that they know they have been complicit in spreading lies all for the cause of electing Obama. Just one example was the issue of abstinence-only education which Palin does not support. The media and women’s organizations did their best to spread this lie and they did a good job. Funny, because it would have made more sense to create cute little t-shirts that said “McCain Institute of Abstinence” (because McCain DOES support abstinence-only) but then we would not have been able to mock the mother of a pregnant teen. Not as much fun. And I have to ask – since when did democrats begin to enjoy making fun of mother’s of pregnant teens? I thought that was just a hard christian right tactic, but apparently not.

Well, I know I am not going to convince anyone here of anything. Again, we have all learned the script to stand up against racism but not sexism.

But just out of curious – did any of you stand against the sexism during this election? Did you speak out against it when you saw it? Did you write any posts about it on your blogs? Did you correct people against any sexist lies (I know that I mentioned the sex-ed lie previously so it’s certainly something you could have shared with others). Did you speak out against sexism and condemn it as strongly as racism?

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