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		<title>By: Rob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Mar 2006 16:53:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION rally in Trafalgar Square. The fascists can try to threaten us and the left can undermine us but we will not go quietly into that good night. 
FREE SPEECH...............USE IT OR LOSE IT.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION rally in Trafalgar Square. The fascists can try to threaten us and the left can undermine us but we will not go quietly into that good night.<br />
FREE SPEECH&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;USE IT OR LOSE IT.</p>
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		<title>By: Aliandra</title>
		<link>http://pdberger.com/the-problem-with-protesting/comment-page-2/#comment-9501</link>
		<dc:creator>Aliandra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Mar 2006 17:05:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NeoDude;

&quot;Yeah, FDR and yesterdayÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s progressives would have invaded and occupied a non-threatening nation in the name of liberty and democracy, and lie about the reasons&quot;

The US attacked Serbia in the name of liberty too, even though that country was no threat to it.  Clinton&#039;s one-year mission turned into ... uh,  how long is it now?

The WMD reason was based on crappy intelligence, not a lie.  Every major intelligence agency thought Saddam had WMD.  Even his own generals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NeoDude;</p>
<p>&#8220;Yeah, FDR and yesterdayÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s progressives would have invaded and occupied a non-threatening nation in the name of liberty and democracy, and lie about the reasons&#8221;</p>
<p>The US attacked Serbia in the name of liberty too, even though that country was no threat to it.  Clinton&#8217;s one-year mission turned into &#8230; uh,  how long is it now?</p>
<p>The WMD reason was based on crappy intelligence, not a lie.  Every major intelligence agency thought Saddam had WMD.  Even his own generals.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Mar 2006 20:00:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tim: 

You are absolutely correct about the craven US media being no better than media in Europe who refused to show the cartoons.

Germany did declare war on the US and the US was still officially in a state of war with Iraq, especially when they were firing on our aircraft on patrol over the UN sanctioned no-fly zone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim: </p>
<p>You are absolutely correct about the craven US media being no better than media in Europe who refused to show the cartoons.</p>
<p>Germany did declare war on the US and the US was still officially in a state of war with Iraq, especially when they were firing on our aircraft on patrol over the UN sanctioned no-fly zone.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim B</title>
		<link>http://pdberger.com/the-problem-with-protesting/comment-page-2/#comment-9473</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Mar 2006 18:34:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;Having just toured Europe, most people there would be speaking Russian with a German accent if it was not for our brand of jingoism. I do not want my country to have to make a third bloody trip over to liberate and safe guard Europe again so I get concerned when I see a new stripe of fascism emerging and Europeans refusing to defend themselvesÃ¢â‚¬Â¦. IN TIME.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Oh, so we don&#039;t stand up to Muslim censorship over here? Just remind us how many US newspapers republished the Danish cartoons? Possibly the Weekly Standard, but I don&#039;t think any others did. In contrast, many European publications did, thus showing solidarity with Denmark, and possibly (this is my anecdotal suggestion) diluting the effect of the boycott on Denmark&#039;s small economy. I&#039;m sad to say that no British ones did. 

&lt;i&gt;&quot;Germany did not attack us yet FDR progressives invaded and occupied that nation in the name of liberty and democracy and the children of Nazis thank us for it.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Posted by Rob

Actually, Germany did declare war on the US shortly after Pearl Harbour, and before any US hostilities against Germany. It was a stupid move, but it happened nevertheless.

&lt;i&gt;&quot;Look at England where according to a recent poll 20% of Moslems there want SharÃ¢â‚¬â„¢ia established&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

I think it was about twice that, actually.

&lt;i&gt;&quot;some, particularly the one of Muhammed with a bomb-shaped turban, were clearly provocative.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

A recent British magazine, &lt;a href=&quot;www.prospect-magazine.co.uk?phpMyAdmin=4923482be60127ab4a146cd1e77bb2c1&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Prospect&lt;/a&gt;, noted that that picture actually has the face of Abu Laban, Denmark&#039;s radical and misogynist leading Imam. It was a satire on him, but the joke seems to have been rather lost on the Muslim world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;Having just toured Europe, most people there would be speaking Russian with a German accent if it was not for our brand of jingoism. I do not want my country to have to make a third bloody trip over to liberate and safe guard Europe again so I get concerned when I see a new stripe of fascism emerging and Europeans refusing to defend themselvesÃ¢â‚¬Â¦. IN TIME.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Oh, so we don&#8217;t stand up to Muslim censorship over here? Just remind us how many US newspapers republished the Danish cartoons? Possibly the Weekly Standard, but I don&#8217;t think any others did. In contrast, many European publications did, thus showing solidarity with Denmark, and possibly (this is my anecdotal suggestion) diluting the effect of the boycott on Denmark&#8217;s small economy. I&#8217;m sad to say that no British ones did. </p>
<p><i>&#8220;Germany did not attack us yet FDR progressives invaded and occupied that nation in the name of liberty and democracy and the children of Nazis thank us for it.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Posted by Rob</p>
<p>Actually, Germany did declare war on the US shortly after Pearl Harbour, and before any US hostilities against Germany. It was a stupid move, but it happened nevertheless.</p>
<p><i>&#8220;Look at England where according to a recent poll 20% of Moslems there want SharÃ¢â‚¬â„¢ia established&#8221;</i></p>
<p>I think it was about twice that, actually.</p>
<p><i>&#8220;some, particularly the one of Muhammed with a bomb-shaped turban, were clearly provocative.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>A recent British magazine, <a href="www.prospect-magazine.co.uk?phpMyAdmin=4923482be60127ab4a146cd1e77bb2c1" rel="nofollow">Prospect</a>, noted that that picture actually has the face of Abu Laban, Denmark&#8217;s radical and misogynist leading Imam. It was a satire on him, but the joke seems to have been rather lost on the Muslim world.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Mar 2006 08:43:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anyone want to bet that &quot;NeoDude&quot; thinks there is a difference between National Socialism and International Socialism?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyone want to bet that &#8220;NeoDude&#8221; thinks there is a difference between National Socialism and International Socialism?</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
		<link>http://pdberger.com/the-problem-with-protesting/comment-page-2/#comment-9449</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Mar 2006 03:04:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think your incapable of reading my post correctly and I am having a hard time understanding yours.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think your incapable of reading my post correctly and I am having a hard time understanding yours.</p>
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		<title>By: NeoDude</title>
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		<dc:creator>NeoDude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Mar 2006 01:59:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>rob,

You can&#039;t throw Muslims and activist in concentration camps, because the descendants of FDR will not let you. 

The lesson has been lost on todayÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s right-wing nationalists.

The right is incapable of learning from history.

We got the rightwing version of LBJ trying to win Vietnam and he will lose, again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rob,</p>
<p>You can&#8217;t throw Muslims and activist in concentration camps, because the descendants of FDR will not let you. </p>
<p>The lesson has been lost on todayÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s right-wing nationalists.</p>
<p>The right is incapable of learning from history.</p>
<p>We got the rightwing version of LBJ trying to win Vietnam and he will lose, again.</p>
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		<title>By: rob</title>
		<link>http://pdberger.com/the-problem-with-protesting/comment-page-2/#comment-9441</link>
		<dc:creator>rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Mar 2006 16:48:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course Bush and the Neo-Cons do not want to be soooooo FDR and &quot;progressive&quot; that he copies liberal FDR and throws thousands of innocent American citizens (including children) in internment camps, executes people for treason and desertion and force men to join the military on pain of imprisonment. That would far to progressive and liberal in the FDR tradition.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course Bush and the Neo-Cons do not want to be soooooo FDR and &#8220;progressive&#8221; that he copies liberal FDR and throws thousands of innocent American citizens (including children) in internment camps, executes people for treason and desertion and force men to join the military on pain of imprisonment. That would far to progressive and liberal in the FDR tradition.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
		<link>http://pdberger.com/the-problem-with-protesting/comment-page-1/#comment-9439</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Mar 2006 16:31:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Germany did not attack us yet FDR progressives invaded and occupied that nation in the name of liberty and democracy and the children of Nazis thank us for it.

People to this day think FDR knew about the attack on Pearl Harbor and lied about it. (Back then Republicans did not try to impeach a wartime President for it).

As for Saudi Arabia, how much money did we give Uncle Joe Stalin and how many photos ops did he get with FDR, Chruchill, and Truman? As bad as the Saudi&#039;s are (and they are bad) they do not approach Stalin&#039;s crimes and he was our best friend. 

So yes, that IS soooooo FDR. Even a casual reader of high school history knows this stuff but all means try again sometime.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Germany did not attack us yet FDR progressives invaded and occupied that nation in the name of liberty and democracy and the children of Nazis thank us for it.</p>
<p>People to this day think FDR knew about the attack on Pearl Harbor and lied about it. (Back then Republicans did not try to impeach a wartime President for it).</p>
<p>As for Saudi Arabia, how much money did we give Uncle Joe Stalin and how many photos ops did he get with FDR, Chruchill, and Truman? As bad as the Saudi&#8217;s are (and they are bad) they do not approach Stalin&#8217;s crimes and he was our best friend. </p>
<p>So yes, that IS soooooo FDR. Even a casual reader of high school history knows this stuff but all means try again sometime.</p>
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		<title>By: NeoDude</title>
		<link>http://pdberger.com/the-problem-with-protesting/comment-page-1/#comment-9437</link>
		<dc:creator>NeoDude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Mar 2006 15:20:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And remember those famous FDR tax give-a-ways during WW2? 

That really showed the right-wing nationalists of Germany and Japan that we were serious!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And remember those famous FDR tax give-a-ways during WW2? </p>
<p>That really showed the right-wing nationalists of Germany and Japan that we were serious!</p>
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