Comments on: Stealth Jew http://pdberger.com/stealth-jew/ A British freelance writer living in New York Wed, 17 Nov 2010 23:48:21 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: pdberger http://pdberger.com/stealth-jew/comment-page-1/#comment-7749 pdberger Wed, 23 Nov 2005 14:10:44 +0000 http://pdberger.com/?p=639#comment-7749 :) :)

]]> By: Dezik http://pdberger.com/stealth-jew/comment-page-1/#comment-7748 Dezik Wed, 23 Nov 2005 13:14:45 +0000 http://pdberger.com/?p=639#comment-7748 PS. I think G and J were the code words. I don't think we should go into espionage. PS. I think G and J were the code words. I don’t think we should go into espionage.

]]> By: Dezik http://pdberger.com/stealth-jew/comment-page-1/#comment-7747 Dezik Wed, 23 Nov 2005 13:09:32 +0000 http://pdberger.com/?p=639#comment-7747 Pavvers, I not long ago came across an excellent case of stealth Jewry. Well, not Jewry. A single stealth Jew. So stealth, in fact, he hardly seemed to know himself. I was chatting to a friend's boyfriend, who's from Liverpool, who has English name and last name, looks like a regular English bloke, speaks with a Liverpool accent, the works. Eastern Europe came up. "D'you know what Choshchoshoshki means, like?" he asked curiously, struggling to get his teeth round some Slavic surname. "It's me greatgrandparents on me muther's siiiiide who came over from Riga. Is that Lithuania?" Latvia, I explained, my interest growing by the second at a Slavic surname from Latvia and turn-of-the-century immigrants to Britain. "Yeah, they were Jewish akhkhkhkhkhkhtually. It goes through the muther's siiiiiide, Judaism, like, duznit?" So here sat a Jew who, I'm guessing, had cast a thought in the direction of his roots for probably about the 3rd time in 35 years, and for about ten seconds, before we moved back on to talking about cornflakes or something else. I suppose on the plus side, neither he nor his girlfriend thought this was a big deal, him 'technically' being a Jew. He was who he was. I don't think he'd have given a toss either way if he was called Jewish or not. On the downside, of course, as majorly integrated folks with only one side of the family being Jewish, all the traditions and knowledge of Judaism seem to have been lost... But the stealth! The stealth! Those scouser Jews. They're famous for it. (PS. You were never 'outed' in Russia in your presence. We always did that behind your back and without your permission!) Pavvers, I not long ago came across an excellent case of stealth Jewry. Well, not Jewry. A single stealth Jew. So stealth, in fact, he hardly seemed to know himself. I was chatting to a friend’s boyfriend, who’s from Liverpool, who has English name and last name, looks like a regular English bloke, speaks with a Liverpool accent, the works. Eastern Europe came up. “D’you know what Choshchoshoshki means, like?” he asked curiously, struggling to get his teeth round some Slavic surname. “It’s me greatgrandparents on me muther’s siiiiide who came over from Riga. Is that Lithuania?” Latvia, I explained, my interest growing by the second at a Slavic surname from Latvia and turn-of-the-century immigrants to Britain. “Yeah, they were Jewish akhkhkhkhkhkhtually. It goes through the muther’s siiiiiide, Judaism, like, duznit?” So here sat a Jew who, I’m guessing, had cast a thought in the direction of his roots for probably about the 3rd time in 35 years, and for about ten seconds, before we moved back on to talking about cornflakes or something else. I suppose on the plus side, neither he nor his girlfriend thought this was a big deal, him ‘technically’ being a Jew. He was who he was. I don’t think he’d have given a toss either way if he was called Jewish or not. On the downside, of course, as majorly integrated folks with only one side of the family being Jewish, all the traditions and knowledge of Judaism seem to have been lost… But the stealth! The stealth! Those scouser Jews. They’re famous for it. (PS. You were never ‘outed’ in Russia in your presence. We always did that behind your back and without your permission!)

]]> By: Peaktalk http://pdberger.com/stealth-jew/comment-page-1/#comment-7719 Peaktalk Mon, 21 Nov 2005 03:22:04 +0000 http://pdberger.com/?p=639#comment-7719 <strong>FORTUYN ON THE FRENCH INTIFADA</strong> Yes, he’s been dead for over three years now but when I posted on Hirsi Ali’s intent to produce a sequel to Submission, I started looking for a Fortuyn quote in order to give a bit more depth to the... FORTUYN ON THE FRENCH INTIFADA

Yes, he’s been dead for over three years now but when I posted on Hirsi Ali’s intent to produce a sequel to Submission, I started looking for a Fortuyn quote in order to give a bit more depth to the…

]]> By: pdberger http://pdberger.com/stealth-jew/comment-page-1/#comment-7716 pdberger Sun, 20 Nov 2005 23:31:24 +0000 http://pdberger.com/?p=639#comment-7716 I'm going to have to take your word for it Dezik; I'm afraid the vodka and beer has clouded my memory. Didn't we have a codeword for G and J while we were in Petrozavodsk? I’m going to have to take your word for it Dezik; I’m afraid the vodka and beer has clouded my memory. Didn’t we have a codeword for G and J while we were in Petrozavodsk?

]]> By: Dezik http://pdberger.com/stealth-jew/comment-page-1/#comment-7699 Dezik Sat, 19 Nov 2005 20:19:49 +0000 http://pdberger.com/?p=639#comment-7699 Pavvers, your mentioning attitudes to Jews in Russia reminds me of many a moment there when you were 'outed' to mutual friends. Of course they had all the stereotypes built in too, and reacted in a but-he's-such-a-diamond-geezer sort of way. Ever the optimist, I think of this positively - at least you shattered the stereotypes where they were concerned. They knew you as diamond geezer first, Jew second. A changed their opinion of B. See? You're a one-man revolution... Pavvers, your mentioning attitudes to Jews in Russia reminds me of many a moment there when you were ‘outed’ to mutual friends. Of course they had all the stereotypes built in too, and reacted in a but-he’s-such-a-diamond-geezer sort of way. Ever the optimist, I think of this positively – at least you shattered the stereotypes where they were concerned. They knew you as diamond geezer first, Jew second. A changed their opinion of B. See? You’re a one-man revolution…

]]> By: pdberger http://pdberger.com/stealth-jew/comment-page-1/#comment-7688 pdberger Fri, 18 Nov 2005 03:48:27 +0000 http://pdberger.com/?p=639#comment-7688 <blockquote>The underlying Brit problem seems always to be more about skin colour and origin.</blockquote> British Jews are mainly 20th century immigrants. According to my father, who is of the same generation as yours, this was a much bigger problem for Jews in the good old days when they were more recent arrivals (1930s, 1940s and 1950s). I have heard many horror stories of British schools and the Army/Navy in those days... I'm afraid you lost me a little bit after that! What are the more pressing arguments from "the goyim" than the ones stated above? Yes, Jews have their own problems---mainly their dwindling numbers. But in my experience, the majority of young, Jewish people are not torn over choosing between their religion/heritage and being a part of society. Most young Jews want to marry other Jews (or people willing to convert) and raise Jewish families like the ones they were brought up in. Simple as that.

The underlying Brit problem seems always to be more about skin colour and origin.

British Jews are mainly 20th century immigrants. According to my father, who is of the same generation as yours, this was a much bigger problem for Jews in the good old days when they were more recent arrivals (1930s, 1940s and 1950s). I have heard many horror stories of British schools and the Army/Navy in those days…

I’m afraid you lost me a little bit after that! What are the more pressing arguments from “the goyim” than the ones stated above?

Yes, Jews have their own problems—mainly their dwindling numbers. But in my experience, the majority of young, Jewish people are not torn over choosing between their religion/heritage and being a part of society. Most young Jews want to marry other Jews (or people willing to convert) and raise Jewish families like the ones they were brought up in. Simple as that.

]]> By: Liz http://pdberger.com/stealth-jew/comment-page-1/#comment-7680 Liz Thu, 17 Nov 2005 01:26:46 +0000 http://pdberger.com/?p=639#comment-7680 Remind me to discuss this with you when I see you! Never seemed an issue to me and mine, friends or family. And growing up with a 'stealth racist' father from the ww2 generation I can promise that Judaism was never an issue in my life, informal or formal education, whilst growing up. The underlying Brit problem seems always to be more about skin colour and origin. This is, of course, in a nice, middle class way, but I have to say that some of the imagery above seems like an idea that those within the Jewish communnity have succumbed to and not that of those outside the faith. I hate to make sweeping statements to those I can't face but despite my lack of talent for self-expression, this all seems fussy over the wrong issues. Surely the Jewish population face more pressing arguments from the goyim? Is there any need for the 'stealth jew' or is there a greater pressure on the modern Jew to face a battle between avoiding being defined by a heritage and being respectful of the same. Surely amongst my non-Jewish peer group there is a great pressure to deny religion as something anachronistic. As a Jew, it seems to end up in the question of race or religion - surely that makes it harder? But does that make it a failing of those outside the Jewish faith? Remind me to discuss this with you when I see you! Never seemed an issue to me and mine, friends or family. And growing up with a ‘stealth racist’ father from the ww2 generation I can promise that Judaism was never an issue in my life, informal or formal education, whilst growing up. The underlying Brit problem seems always to be more about skin colour and origin. This is, of course, in a nice, middle class way, but I have to say that some of the imagery above seems like an idea that those within the Jewish communnity have succumbed to and not that of those outside the faith. I hate to make sweeping statements to those I can’t face but despite my lack of talent for self-expression, this all seems fussy over the wrong issues. Surely the Jewish population face more pressing arguments from the goyim? Is there any need for the ‘stealth jew’ or is there a greater pressure on the modern Jew to face a battle between avoiding being defined by a heritage and being respectful of the same. Surely amongst my non-Jewish peer group there is a great pressure to deny religion as something anachronistic. As a Jew, it seems to end up in the question of race or religion – surely that makes it harder? But does that make it a failing of those outside the Jewish faith?

]]> By: Lukeski http://pdberger.com/stealth-jew/comment-page-1/#comment-7670 Lukeski Mon, 14 Nov 2005 23:30:12 +0000 http://pdberger.com/?p=639#comment-7670 I assume a 'stealth-Jew' is from the same root as 'stealth-moose' - intriguingly, this concept not only exists in Japanese, but they actually have a word for it: bakku-shan - a girl who appears pretty from behind but not from the front. This has been taken from <a href="http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/0140515615/qid=1132010960/sr=8-1/ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i1_xgl/202-0444275-9541421" rel="nofollow">The Meaning of Tingo</a>. I assume a ‘stealth-Jew’ is from the same root as ‘stealth-moose’ – intriguingly, this concept not only exists in Japanese, but they actually have a word for it: bakku-shan – a girl who appears pretty from behind but not from the front. This has been taken from The Meaning of Tingo.

]]> By: Lukeski http://pdberger.com/stealth-jew/comment-page-1/#comment-7669 Lukeski Mon, 14 Nov 2005 23:25:29 +0000 http://pdberger.com/?p=639#comment-7669 I am anything and everyting apart from a CoE Portmuthian, dear boy! I am anything and everyting apart from a CoE Portmuthian, dear boy!

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