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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://pdberger.com/its-how-you-play-the-game/comment-page-1/#comment-7514</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Oct 2005 21:04:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I understand how you feel, alison.  I lived in Germany for a year and was constantly surprised by the similarities in thought and and conflict.  How do you address the problems of humanity as a whole while respecting the boundaries of country and culture, and especially when everyone, yourself included, is screwed up?

When I was but a lad, I always loved the idea of space travel and was enchanted by Arthur C. Clarke&#039;s idea that space exploration could become &quot;the moral equivalent of war&quot; -- the somewhat naive concept that if all countries could focus their attentions outward, where there are limitless boundaries, territory, and resources, war would disappear.  It&#039;s a nice thought, but people will always be people, and people really do have a lot of potential to constantly do the wrong thing, whether it&#039;s cutting in front of somebody on the freeway or dropping bombs.  The older, more cynical person I have become is still enchanted by the idea of space travel but firmly convinced that war is not fought over resources or territory but because people fight wars, period.

Still, it&#039;s a nice idea.  Who knows, given different circumstances, it might be worth a try . . . just so long as everyone understands that the U.S. has dibs on the Moon, so hands off!

=+O</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I understand how you feel, alison.  I lived in Germany for a year and was constantly surprised by the similarities in thought and and conflict.  How do you address the problems of humanity as a whole while respecting the boundaries of country and culture, and especially when everyone, yourself included, is screwed up?</p>
<p>When I was but a lad, I always loved the idea of space travel and was enchanted by Arthur C. Clarke&#8217;s idea that space exploration could become &#8220;the moral equivalent of war&#8221; &#8212; the somewhat naive concept that if all countries could focus their attentions outward, where there are limitless boundaries, territory, and resources, war would disappear.  It&#8217;s a nice thought, but people will always be people, and people really do have a lot of potential to constantly do the wrong thing, whether it&#8217;s cutting in front of somebody on the freeway or dropping bombs.  The older, more cynical person I have become is still enchanted by the idea of space travel but firmly convinced that war is not fought over resources or territory but because people fight wars, period.</p>
<p>Still, it&#8217;s a nice idea.  Who knows, given different circumstances, it might be worth a try . . . just so long as everyone understands that the U.S. has dibs on the Moon, so hands off!</p>
<p>=+O</p>
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		<title>By: alison</title>
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		<dc:creator>alison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Oct 2005 20:25:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps then, everyone is civilized, until it comes to discussing American politics and culture? It&#039;s funny, I used to hate my country until I lived overseas and discovered that I&#039;m actually just a misanthrope. Everyone is horrible! And not just Americans!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps then, everyone is civilized, until it comes to discussing American politics and culture? It&#8217;s funny, I used to hate my country until I lived overseas and discovered that I&#8217;m actually just a misanthrope. Everyone is horrible! And not just Americans!</p>
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		<title>By: Englishman in New York &#187; Busy</title>
		<link>http://pdberger.com/its-how-you-play-the-game/comment-page-1/#comment-7504</link>
		<dc:creator>Englishman in New York &#187; Busy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Oct 2005 19:34:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Busy day, so no time for posting. Could I suggest a peek at some interesting conversations going on in the comments sections here and here. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Busy day, so no time for posting. Could I suggest a peek at some interesting conversations going on in the comments sections here and here. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Dennis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dennis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Oct 2005 18:30:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://y.wimp.com/v/presidential.wmv

Enjoy!</description>
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<p>Enjoy!</p>
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		<title>By: MIchael</title>
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		<dc:creator>MIchael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Oct 2005 18:09:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I&#039;m not going to try to convince you of anything different, believe me.  I respect your opinion.

Besides, if we start arguing here, EINY is likely to accuse us of being hooligans!

=+)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I&#8217;m not going to try to convince you of anything different, believe me.  I respect your opinion.</p>
<p>Besides, if we start arguing here, EINY is likely to accuse us of being hooligans!</p>
<p>=+)</p>
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		<title>By: Dennis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dennis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Oct 2005 18:06:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul-- Yes, discussing politics in the US really does open a can of worms (or Pandora&#039;s box).

I believe there is a bit of hooligan in every gentleman. It&#039;s fuzzy logic, more gentleman and less hooligan is more or less desirable by some.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul&#8211; Yes, discussing politics in the US really does open a can of worms (or Pandora&#8217;s box).</p>
<p>I believe there is a bit of hooligan in every gentleman. It&#8217;s fuzzy logic, more gentleman and less hooligan is more or less desirable by some.</p>
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		<title>By: Dennis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dennis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Oct 2005 17:42:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s funny, I really remember Clinton more for strengthening of environmental requlations and concern for the general wellbeing of Americans and people beyond our borders. I also remember him for trying to avert another problem in the Balkens by putting a stop to the situation in Kosovo.

I have a few friends from Serbia and Macedonia who think what he did with NATO was a terrible thing. Honestly, I believe he thought he was doing the right thing. With Bush, I get this feeling there is always some sick agenda behind everything he does.

I actually voted for Bush in 2000 thinking he&#039;d be more like his father. The minute he started destroying all the work Clinton did on the environment, my opinion about him changed completely.

Bush is more a corporatist than a traditional conservative.

&quot;The first stage of fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of State and corporate power&quot;

--Benito Mussolini (1883-1945), Fascist Dictator of Italy

I&#039;ll remember Bush more for his support of Torture and destruction of freedom and life than anything else.

Sure.. Kerry was a total douchebag, but I&#039;d rather would have given him a chance than let Bush continue making a mess of things.

The problem is we need a leader period!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s funny, I really remember Clinton more for strengthening of environmental requlations and concern for the general wellbeing of Americans and people beyond our borders. I also remember him for trying to avert another problem in the Balkens by putting a stop to the situation in Kosovo.</p>
<p>I have a few friends from Serbia and Macedonia who think what he did with NATO was a terrible thing. Honestly, I believe he thought he was doing the right thing. With Bush, I get this feeling there is always some sick agenda behind everything he does.</p>
<p>I actually voted for Bush in 2000 thinking he&#8217;d be more like his father. The minute he started destroying all the work Clinton did on the environment, my opinion about him changed completely.</p>
<p>Bush is more a corporatist than a traditional conservative.</p>
<p>&#8220;The first stage of fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of State and corporate power&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8211;Benito Mussolini (1883-1945), Fascist Dictator of Italy</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll remember Bush more for his support of Torture and destruction of freedom and life than anything else.</p>
<p>Sure.. Kerry was a total douchebag, but I&#8217;d rather would have given him a chance than let Bush continue making a mess of things.</p>
<p>The problem is we need a leader period!</p>
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		<title>By: MIchael</title>
		<link>http://pdberger.com/its-how-you-play-the-game/comment-page-1/#comment-7499</link>
		<dc:creator>MIchael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Oct 2005 17:11:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dennis, you miss my point, although you bring up a good one too.  Of course the Republicans were ridiculously divisive and spiteful during the Clinton era.  My point is that Clinton&#039;s era will be remembered more for Lewinsky than any policies he enacted, and therefore he was not as strong a focal point of divisiveness in the country.  Bush will be remembered for Iraq, and his rigidity has ensured a sharpening of the divisiveness in this country beyond that of any other recent leader, for good and for bad (probably mostly for bad).

And I hated the argument that I shouldn&#039;t vote for Kerry because we were in the middle of a war -- but, as pointed out by Mr. Berger, I wasn&#039;t convinced he&#039;d be a better captain.  I don&#039;t like much of what Bush has done, but voting for someone else I don&#039;t like just to avoid voting for him is the very kind of reactionary politics I see as the problem.

We need a leader that appeals to both sides and can listen to all sides of an issue, not just Rove&#039;s, and who has never done anything the hypemongers can run with.  Unfortunately, that excludes humans.

Anybody read the last couple chapters of &quot;I, Robot&quot; recently?

Yikes.  I think I&#039;m ready to order an advance copy of &quot;The Inevitability of Death&quot;.  Of course, if things continue to get worse, a title like that will make it sound like a &quot;feel-good&quot; novel!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dennis, you miss my point, although you bring up a good one too.  Of course the Republicans were ridiculously divisive and spiteful during the Clinton era.  My point is that Clinton&#8217;s era will be remembered more for Lewinsky than any policies he enacted, and therefore he was not as strong a focal point of divisiveness in the country.  Bush will be remembered for Iraq, and his rigidity has ensured a sharpening of the divisiveness in this country beyond that of any other recent leader, for good and for bad (probably mostly for bad).</p>
<p>And I hated the argument that I shouldn&#8217;t vote for Kerry because we were in the middle of a war &#8212; but, as pointed out by Mr. Berger, I wasn&#8217;t convinced he&#8217;d be a better captain.  I don&#8217;t like much of what Bush has done, but voting for someone else I don&#8217;t like just to avoid voting for him is the very kind of reactionary politics I see as the problem.</p>
<p>We need a leader that appeals to both sides and can listen to all sides of an issue, not just Rove&#8217;s, and who has never done anything the hypemongers can run with.  Unfortunately, that excludes humans.</p>
<p>Anybody read the last couple chapters of &#8220;I, Robot&#8221; recently?</p>
<p>Yikes.  I think I&#8217;m ready to order an advance copy of &#8220;The Inevitability of Death&#8221;.  Of course, if things continue to get worse, a title like that will make it sound like a &#8220;feel-good&#8221; novel!</p>
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		<title>By: Dezik</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dezik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Oct 2005 16:39:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pavlik, I think by raising hooliganism and political debate in the same breath, you raise an interesting point. I can&#039;t comment on American political mores; I know nothing about them. But I think what you say about political debate in England rarely getting heated is not because we are fantastically mature on this front and can discuss things calmly and fairly. I think the English are actually hopeless at disagreeing with each other - however politely - and this is why these conversations perhaps never take off in the first place. Cue hooliganism and, stretching the point a long way, but allow me licence, I think this is a result of aforementioned English inability to disagree nicely so you get groups of men who dare to disagree on which football team is best, say, who drink themselves disagreeable and then have a good old punch-up. It&#039;s debate at another level. I don&#039;t mean to lampoon England and its debate totally. The parliament is a good example of proper, civilised and, often, no-holds-barred debate and it&#039;s all the better for that (and fantastic theatre). If I can add a Euro-angle, I think what our continental cousins can show us a thing or two about is debate at the (dinner-)party level; you can have a good old heated debate and disagree till the cows come home but there won&#039;t generally be any hard feelings or personal offence taken. Maybe we Brits and Americans do have a version of politeness in our culture which is too fragile to be exposed to bruising debate.

And don&#039;t get morose with that novel of yours. I hope it&#039;s subheading will be, &quot;...but, bearing that in mind, how can we make life bloody nice for the three-score-years-and-ten that we are here?&quot;

PS. I think rugby is played and watched by gentlemen and football is played and watched by hooligans, but what do I know?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pavlik, I think by raising hooliganism and political debate in the same breath, you raise an interesting point. I can&#8217;t comment on American political mores; I know nothing about them. But I think what you say about political debate in England rarely getting heated is not because we are fantastically mature on this front and can discuss things calmly and fairly. I think the English are actually hopeless at disagreeing with each other &#8211; however politely &#8211; and this is why these conversations perhaps never take off in the first place. Cue hooliganism and, stretching the point a long way, but allow me licence, I think this is a result of aforementioned English inability to disagree nicely so you get groups of men who dare to disagree on which football team is best, say, who drink themselves disagreeable and then have a good old punch-up. It&#8217;s debate at another level. I don&#8217;t mean to lampoon England and its debate totally. The parliament is a good example of proper, civilised and, often, no-holds-barred debate and it&#8217;s all the better for that (and fantastic theatre). If I can add a Euro-angle, I think what our continental cousins can show us a thing or two about is debate at the (dinner-)party level; you can have a good old heated debate and disagree till the cows come home but there won&#8217;t generally be any hard feelings or personal offence taken. Maybe we Brits and Americans do have a version of politeness in our culture which is too fragile to be exposed to bruising debate.</p>
<p>And don&#8217;t get morose with that novel of yours. I hope it&#8217;s subheading will be, &#8220;&#8230;but, bearing that in mind, how can we make life bloody nice for the three-score-years-and-ten that we are here?&#8221;</p>
<p>PS. I think rugby is played and watched by gentlemen and football is played and watched by hooligans, but what do I know?</p>
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		<title>By: pdberger</title>
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		<dc:creator>pdberger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Oct 2005 15:31:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aha, Dennis. So now you are coming around to my way of thinking! 

Did I ever mention that I wanted to write a novel? I was going to call it &quot;The Inevitability of Death.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aha, Dennis. So now you are coming around to my way of thinking! </p>
<p>Did I ever mention that I wanted to write a novel? I was going to call it &#8220;The Inevitability of Death.&#8221;</p>
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